【澳洲留學】碰到不喜歡的同學><

[Natsuko 10]

樓主...

我可不可以去queensland找你玩？？？

據説那裏天氣很好>_<

哈哈我現在才看到

可以阿~我放假應該不會回台灣吧....

maybe...

[Calibare 10]

這種人每所學校都有一些吧............

坐我後面的小鬼也是啊............

知道的東西明明不多或是有錯誤

但上課就是超愛搶老師的話

但是只要沒有把進度拖太多我也懶得去跟他們吵

[湧翠湖畔 10]

Hmm我也是上課會插話的人XD(逃)

我覺得我有時候的確個性太急,想到甚麼就自然會脫口而出

還有我們國中上課基本上就是幾個男生加上我在和老師東一句西一句

閒聊閒聊然後就下課了Orz

於是養成了這樣的習慣

好像很多台灣小孩都會覺得這樣是show off,

但我去Columbia的時候班上討論與插話情況之熱烈讓我瞠目結舌OAO

畢竟老師上課大家都是邊聽邊記邊想,

是真的對於老師說的東西有想法才會說出來的,

我常常會被別人的ideas inspired :) 產生了更深入的想法

我覺得這樣的學習效率蠻高的,

所以剛從NYC回來的那陣子上課插話情形變得更嚴重...

現在想想,真是辛苦了班上同學呀Orz

[Ice Cream Cat 10]

i normally dont respond that much if participation occupies relatively a small portion of my overall grade,

all i do is smiling and nodding when teachers look at me

and the point is my participation grade is incredibly highXDDD

[MikiRei 10]

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he gloats and tries to show off and making people look dumb.

it's hard to find a balance between these two things

i learn this lesson these days with a really bad way

Maybe I should clarify. I don't sit in class with this guy just by the way. I've no idea what he's like in class but what he's like on a DAILY basis, when you're trying to have a conversation with him is absolutely excrutiating. Everytime I try to have a nice conversation with him, for example, say he started off with the conversation about Latin translations and the difficulties in translating, I might go, "Oh yes, I get you. Similar things happen when translating between English and Chinese," - or what not. Instead of listening to what I have to say and then continue on, discussing in a civilised manner, he pretty much cuts me off, completely ignores whatever I just said, and then goes on about all the things he did and how his teachers love his tranlsation and how people really should learn Latin because it just makes you more sophisticated than other people or whatever and that he's really so much more sophisticated and that he's proud to be a nerd before reciting random Latin poems to me at which point I'm like, "WHAT are you doing? Are we even having a conversation anymore?" Eventually, I tune off because I realise he's not really interested in having a conversation with me. Instead, he just wants to gloat.

That's example 1. I've plenty of other examples. Another example will be some simple conversation over the internet about how there's a lot of workload and you've been busy and is struggling a bit to get everything done. Now, normal people, at this point will do two things.

1. Agree and sympathize by ranting about their recent happenings.

2. Try and make the person feel better or by giving them some advice to help them

As for this friend of mine, he starts LECTURING you and say that he never has a problem because he does this and that and that his parents are so proud of him and that other parents wish that they could swap children with his parents. ie. it becomes a gloat fest - again.

Another example, and this time, not from me, from someone I know who goes to the same uni as he does. Apparently, one day, this friend of mine started playing some piano. Now, he's only been learning a bit. Anyways, this other guy was listening and went, "Wow. You play pretty good," and then my friend goes, "Yes. And I've only been learning for 2 months." = =|||

Do you see what I mean? I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with brainy people. My life's surrounded with them that I'm used to being the dumber of the pack but out of all these smart people, MOST of them, and I mean MOST, are decent people who's capable of having a decent discussion and conversation with people. This guy, on the other hand, seem to treat conversations as his chance to gloat. Regardless of how smart or academically capable you are, if you're a jerk, you're still a jerk. ;-)

[Natsuko 10]

其實我覺得插話是其次

重點是態度吧

有些人會為了插話而插話

又有些人根本沒有preview過課程

就講一些沒什麼內容的插話

那樣就很讓人厭煩阿

最討厭的是有些人藉討論之名行打斷人家之實

[MikiRei 10]

其實我覺得插話是其次

重點是態度吧

+1

[ericliu1991 10]

啊

大家的同學都很喜歡搶答嗎

在我們學校

老師丟問題出來都沒有人要接...

害我都不敢舉手> <

英文爛也是原因之ㄧ就是了= =

[櫻桃sui 10]

澳洲有很多中東國家的學生

免驚 加拿大東部 到~~~處都是中東人或南亞人

什麼國家的都有

我住的城市由其巴基斯坦跟印度人超多 人山人海 跟大陸來的有的拼

説到他們很自傲，能移民出來的大部分的孩子都有一點自信吧

由其西方講究個人自信

所以不只是中東人 任何人都可以很優越

我認識的一個印度人超愛跟我炫燿的呢(炫耀就算了 還會直言貶低我哩)

但是習慣不好不是他們的特權

我也跟黑人和白人同組過，前一天明明答應了的當天報告卻沒穿指定顏色的衣服，還推說他以為是穿另一個顏色的

分明是不把別人的話放在心上

幸好那時候我就瞭解到：絕對不能相信西方世界的人

因為西式教育＝自我主義

我還被兩個褐色皮膚的同學整過哩

他們一直到報告前一天連書面分析的基本資料都沒有影子

如果是以前的我一定是傻傻的幫他們把他們那兩份的資料作好

不過因為我也被自我主義影響到，所以就跟他們說　你們那份沒做好我們就拆˙組˙吧

下場是....

在背後被罵bitch啦ˇˇ"

不過不後悔沒有幫他們做報告就是了 畢竟它們是我的誰阿= ="

[櫻桃sui 10]

因為中國人比較含蓄，所以面對過於積極的文化會不習慣，這個案例也許那位同學比較偏頗，但說不定他在他們國家的論壇也在發文："碰到不喜歡的同學，自己龜毛還看不起我，真不想和他同組做報告。"

中國人不一定含蓄呢

大陸同學大部分都超敢表達意見

香港人如果是早期移民家庭的孩子,也很敢說話

真正不太敢說話的人嘛

是台灣人和英文不好的大陸人....

[ManUtd 10]

東方國家的學生嘛.....我在英國遇到的日本同學們平均來說往往就真的比較不太愛發表意見, 尤其是如果是小時候是在日本長大的. 韓國同學們則男女差異比較大. 男生往往比女生要積極參與.

不過, 作討論是學習及觀察不同文化背景的同學們的好機會. 當然個人或個體的表現並不代表整體. 事實上, 任何一個國家都是一樣米養百樣人, 各種人都有. 機率問題而已. 所以學習和不同的人一起工作及共事的方式. 訓練自己在不同的情況下保護自己的權益, 是和他們一起上學時能得到的寶貴經驗.

[湧翠湖畔 10]

幸好那時候我就瞭解到：絕對不能相信西方世界的人

因為西式教育＝自我主義

有點同意耶。

不過東方式教育的 "合群" "群體主義"

有些還不是一種虛偽。

自我主義符合生物本能，雖然我有時候覺得頗...的

[MikiRei 10]

但是習慣不好不是他們的特權

我也跟黑人和白人同組過，前一天明明答應了的當天報告卻沒穿指定顏色的衣服，還推說他以為是穿另一個顏色的

分明是不把別人的話放在心上

幸好那時候我就瞭解到：絕對不能相信西方世界的人

因為西式教育＝自我主義

Ummmm....what? So, just because you happen to meet a couple of knobs, you generalised that people who are educated in the West are....self-centered? That sounds highly incorrect to me. More like, your ARGUMENT does not hold. May you explain further what made you think that? Overly egoistical people are hated universally, but I won't say that's a DIRECT product of Western education.

One thing I will agree is Western education focuses on "individualism". However, that doesn't, and shouldn't equate to "egoism" or "being self-centered". A balance is required.

While I don't know what it's like in Canada, but at least in Australia, while "individualism" is encouraged, team work is also highly valued. Rarely, have I seen ANYONE who was self-centered or egoistical liked in Australian society. We pretty much stay well away from people like that because they are hard to work with and simply, nasty to be around.

Considering that Australia will be considered as a country with a Western education, seeing that we DO NOT celebrate egoists or self-centered people, your argument that 西式教育＝自我主義 doesn't hold in this place. Furthermore, you also stated that because 西式教育＝自我主義, 信西方世界的人絕對不能相 - that, again, is not explained or backed up with any proof. How and WHY does that equate to such a statement? Sounds overly generalistic to me, albeit, a bad experience being generalised for self-convenience.

我還被兩個褐色皮膚的同學整過哩

*笑*

It's funny how a lot of people on this thread focus on the skin colour immediately. *sigh*

他們一直到報告前一天連書面分析的基本資料都沒有影子

哪只能說他們非常沒責任感, 跟西方教育還是扯不上關希啊.

如果是以前的我一定是傻傻的幫他們把他們那兩份的資料作好

不過因為我也被自我主義影響到，所以就跟他們說　你們那份沒做好我們就拆˙組˙吧

You're protecting yourself, honey. I'd probably do the work for them that one time, peer-assess them and tell them they'll have to do the work next time or else. Actually, no, I'm not that nice. People who are irresponsible will always be irresponsible. I'd just split with them straight there. 4 years of uni experience tells me when a person doesn't do their work for the first assignment means they won't do it - EVER - so split ASAP.

下場是....

在背後被罵bitch啦ˇˇ"

然後呢?

你有什麼損失嗎?

還罵你b****, 哪他們真的很缺德.

要我就當場換人, 省的我浪費時間

不過, 這跟西方教育有什麼關希嗎?

以我看, 根本是他們家本來就沒什麼家教

跟西方教育扯不上關希吧?

I don't think ANYONE would want to work with those two, Western educated or not.

[Krislih 10]

所以到最後結論是?

這其實因該沒有什麼的,好像有點討論的過頭了 :D

不過就是人與人之間的相處有摩擦罷了,這種人就看你自己要不要繼續理他囉~

就像是.... "魚丸跟撒尿蝦... 爭什麼啊,不就是撒尿牛丸罷了!"

[MikiRei 10]

這其實因該沒有什麼的,好像有點討論的過頭了

確實....

我只是不懂為什麼大家只因為一, 兩個壞同學當根據而下一些有的沒的結論

碰到這種不負責任, 愛現, 討人厭的人, 遠而避之就可以了

沒必要因為他們的膚色, 國家背景而在哪理說三道四的吧?

I meet people like this all the time and I keep well away from them and they com from all different countries, under different educational system. The truth of the matter is, these people are pricks. Full stop. Why are people using a few bad experiences to come to generalistic conclusions?

不過就是人與人之間的相處有摩擦罷了,這種人就看你自己要不要繼續理他囉~

Precisely what I want to say. :p

[Krislih 10]

確實....

我只是不懂為什麼大家只因為一, 兩個壞同學當根據而下一些有的沒的結論

碰到這種不負責任, 愛現, 討人厭的人, 遠而避之就可以了

沒必要因為他們的膚色, 國家背景而在哪理說三道四的吧?

I meet people like this all the time and I keep well away from them and they com from all different countries, under different educational system. The truth of the matter is, these people are pricks. Full stop. Why are people using a few bad experiences to come to generalistic conclusions?

Precisely what I want to say. :p

Word up, absolut exact ( as most swedes would say haha)

So I guess I shall be silent now

[yalezzx 10]

澳洲有很多中東國家的學生

或許是因為他們能出來留學都是佼佼者

有些人有點自傲

我們班有一個

超級show off

明明不懂的事也要插嘴 自以為什麼都懂

presentation還故意在老師面前說什麼他想要第一個

還問抽到1號的同學說:你還沒準備好吧?要不要跟我換

齁

整個超生氣的

超不想跟他同組做報告阿!

我们这里是个印度人~ 上数学课打岔，据说在宿舍里极端自私~ 弄得大家对印度人印象都不好。我也得自重了，我在国外就是代表我们国家，我们民族的形象哎

[ManUtd 10]

我们这里是个印度人~ 上数学课打岔，据说在宿舍里极端自私~ 弄得大家对印度人印象都不好。我也得自重了，我在国外就是代表我们国家，我们民族的形象哎

呵呵, 我是覺得不用覺得自己代表國家民族啦. 每個人都只是代表自己而已.

我說的意思當然不是指說因為不用代表國家民族, 所以就可以來亂搞. 不過, 我們應該學習把個人及整體分開來看. 好比說, 若遇到某一個人讓您不舒服, 我們也別把人家整個國家想當然耳的當成是壞人.

所以, 注意自己的待人接物. 是為自己, 不是為國家.

[Ice Cream Cat 10]

i hate people who assess a nation simply by seeing and interacting with a relatively small portion of the people from that nation,

and the sad thing is some of my friends do that continuously.....

well, i personally think it's a kind of discrimination

[毛‧Sun 10]

i hate people who assess a nation simply by seeing and interacting with a relatively small portion of the people from that nation,

and the sad thing is some of my friends do that continuously.....

well, i personally think it's a kind of discrimination

you can just call that generalization, or you can call those people IDIOTS. I usually speak out f word if they do. Or you can just say "stop being a bag"

[波音龍 10]

怎辦我通常都在耍智障的耶....