abtvctkto61 10 發表於 January 6, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 6, 2007 請問各位申請過英文免修的同學&學長英文免修除了托福成績外還需要什麼嗎?還有可不可以連續申請(如果成績夠)?還是說一個成績申請一個?我現在是兩個都有兩個分數都夠申請到三年級如果可以的話大家建不建議我這樣做? 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
aa011854 10 發表於 January 6, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 6, 2007 成績到的話當然好呀~~~這樣英文課就可以去圖書館看自己的書啦~~~ 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
ck飛揚... 10 發表於 January 6, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 6, 2007 請問各位申請過英文免修的同學&學長英文免修除了托福成績外還需要什麼嗎?還有可不可以連續申請(如果成績夠)?還是說一個成績申請一個?我現在是兩個都有兩個分數都夠申請到三年級如果可以的話大家建不建議我這樣做?我們班有三個英文免修是可以連續申請的只是每學期都要提出申請至於建不建議阿...我覺得可以試試不過..我個人認為...千萬不要完全將免修飾為爭取來的自修時間讓自己的英文更上層樓, 是非常必要的不然就是去參加作文比賽阿或是演講比賽等等...為效爭光或是可以定期寫寫題目不然就算你英文很好....只要一下下不接觸它就會狂掉給你看.....(綜合很多人的經驗..) 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
abtvctkto61 10 發表於 January 6, 2007 作者 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 6, 2007 重點是我英文成績本來就不太好不想在考英文單字阿文法阿之類的個人認為那根本不是在"學可以用的英文" 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
Funky。小開 10 發表於 January 6, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 6, 2007 重點是我英文成績本來就不太好不想在考英文單字阿文法阿之類的個人認為那根本不是在"學可以用的英文"學測指考就是這些 有誰想背? 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
bohu 10 發表於 January 7, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 7, 2007 重點是我英文成績本來就不太好不想在考英文單字阿文法阿之類的個人認為那根本不是在"學可以用的英文"那就是學可以用的英文課本的文章單字文法可以培養你閱讀的邏輯，而且那些是最基礎的‧每個大學生手上都有N本原文書，有些科目考題才大一上期中考就給你全英文了你會很慶幸自己在高中時啃了那麼多讓你基礎不錯‧學好英文的基礎就是那些"學不可以用的英文" 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
thisiskai 10 發表於 January 7, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 7, 2007 那就是學可以用的英文課本的文章單字文法可以培養你閱讀的邏輯，而且那些是最基礎的‧每個大學生手上都有N本原文書，有些科目考題才大一上期中考就給你全英文了你會很慶幸自己在高中時啃了那麼多讓你基礎不錯‧學好英文的基礎就是那些"學不可以用的英文"我現在是全科英文出題英文多念是多好啦學弟考過了托福想必實力已經很棒了但現行的考試制度尷尬的就是會考些"奇妙"的東西所以還是需要一定程度的練習(練手感??)既然你已經有比別人好的基礎費的心神可以少一點何不就把它練成未來砍殺敵人的利器xd 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
abtvctkto61 10 發表於 January 7, 2007 作者 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 7, 2007 1. 我愛好和平2. 我*個人*認為已經差不多了 至少 我想念的書 在www.dictionary.com的幫忙下都沒問題 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
麻雀變鳳凰 10 發表於 January 7, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 7, 2007 我們班那個英文免修的都被我們使換到新北樓買午餐 這樣我們就不用排隊了 這學期他寧願跟我們一起上課也不免修了 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
abtvctkto61 10 發表於 January 8, 2007 作者 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 8, 2007 我現在是全科英文出題英文多念是多好啦學弟考過了托福想必實力已經很棒了但現行的考試制度尷尬的就是會考些"奇妙"的東西所以還是需要一定程度的練習(練手感??)既然你已經有比別人好的基礎費的心神可以少一點何不就把它練成未來砍殺敵人的利器xd嗯...我現在完全是憑手感在上課寫考卷= =但我個人認為台灣英文教育實在是......有夠囧 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
evadne 11 發表於 January 8, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 8, 2007 我建議同學您去申請免修，然後自己學一套英文（發音很重要），最好連拉丁與希臘文都學 = =+，就可以砍下許多字彙與其他歐陸語言（PS: 英文並不是只有說與聽才算英文，基本上小說以至專業外文雜誌也算。 考卷上的英文是Essential Objective－－我想你應該了解我這兩個字在說什麼）（註二：對於你說的單字問題，我也可以說知道了fat就不用說corpulent， 或者知道了mass就可以把turbulent丟掉， 但是你可知道文學作品有時也是需要anonyms的？）（註三：關於考試，這是他們許多時候唯一的評量方法， 因為他們根本沒有時間去一個個了解學生， 故還是希望同學你本身英文考試考好，這樣比較好一點）（註四：關於手感問題（離題一下）， 我寫Studio Classroom考卷也常常學你一樣很快寫完 結果尚可接受）（註五：http://dictionary.com 是好物，感謝你提起）（註六：你想讀的書，可以舉例嗎？）＊引言：＂課本的文章單字文法可以培養你閱讀的邏輯，而且那些是最基礎的＂基本上，拿來當作現在這種課本的文章，下場都很慘， 如美女或帥哥一枚被生生解剖一樣。 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
abtvctkto61 10 發表於 January 8, 2007 作者 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 8, 2007 I type faster in English, so I'll answer in English.1. I have my own ways of using this language, so it's fine.2. Yes, you don't HAVE to know corpulent if you know fat, but it is highly suggested that you do, since it'll save you buttloads of time if you come across one. Same for other similar conditions.3. Tests suck. Period.4. I don't really care about StudioClassroom. I didn't even buy it.5. Np.6. LotR, The Silmarillion, Chemistry(Zhumdal(sp?)), Hyperspace, The Legend of Zelda Strategy Guide, etc.And, thank God or whoever's there, this will be my last English exam of high school(hopefullly.)As for textbooks, they should give kids novels from easy ones to challenging ones, not completely seperate and irrelevant stories .A great one would be:Charlett's Web->The Hatchet Series->........->The Hobbit->LotR->The Silmarillion. |. ----->Space Odyssey Series->....->Mars Series. :. : 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
thisiskai 10 發表於 January 9, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 9, 2007 既然你想法都很肯定了就不需要問說''大家建不建議我這樣做?''儘管去做就是啦講那麼多一ˇ一 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
evadne 11 發表於 January 9, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 9, 2007 So I'd think you as a great companion for discussing Lingustic & other studies toward communication. For instance, have you ever heard of that all kinds of organized knowledge are just simplified forms to help people understand it basically, but grapsing its essence (or say assilimate them, not just absorbing) takes you decades?I'd like to suggest you to SEMPER COGITAS (I type faster in Latin, so I'd do it too - don't you know that it wasn't appropriate to show off? Fine, I have no malice but suggesting)Also on your book list: I don't know any of them to fall into the field of pure literature, but iterations on novels (I know that's a bit over-criticizing, but I can't hold myself). Language, as my understanding (or say my interpretation of linguistic education- the better one, not the one we're under here in Taiwan) is like an eye-opener, which makes your soul liberate and free. Therefore, and only after you have sensed the TRUE UNIMPEDED VISIONS IN EACH PERSPECTIVE OF EVERY GREAT SOULS IN EVERY DISTINCT AGES OF THE WORLD- or in another word, after you have built your own view of world, life and other sempiternal things, you can have the pledge to abandon those things such as quizzes.There will be an apology if my words were too sharp to you, but I think it's critical for me to advise you that... Please, at least take my admonition in your own thoughts.(Going astray) I know tests suck (and I also don't buy S.C. but almost aced every quiz on it) but I (I guessed) have more pledge than you have because I can make those who misunderstood the value of quiz & exam tacit via the accomplishments on the subject I did.Anyway, studying in such a way, or in instance not to appreciate something, won't make life unendurable. But think of this: veritas.... 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
ck飛揚... 10 發表於 January 9, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 9, 2007 重點是我英文成績本來就不太好不想在考英文單字阿文法阿之類的個人認為那根本不是在"學可以用的英文"我以前也這樣覺得考前都不看課本憑實力也可以考得不錯考文法總覺得很細很無聊可是現在我不這麼認為...如果你是想學美國那樣freestyle的英文的話..我覺得環境不對更何況...其實美國的學生還是要花很多時間加強拼字, 文法...(我們班的"美國人"說的..其實很多美國人拼字很差, 文法更不用說了)我認為, 同樣要念這些東西, 不應該覺得沒有用就想逃避(就算是考免修)有沒有用你現在也說不準, 應該自己想辦法讓他貼近你的使用比如背單字可以拿來串聯寫小說...等等我們班的英文免修們, 都還是會背課內單字只是他們會比我們更加注意一些用法上的差別(英美式阿, 正式與否阿...等等) 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
abtvctkto61 10 發表於 January 9, 2007 作者 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 9, 2007 So I'd think you as a great companion for discussing Lingustic & other studies toward communication. For instance, have you ever heard of that all kinds of organized knowledge are just simplified forms to help people understand it basically, but grapsing its essence (or say assilimate them, not just absorbing) takes you decades?I'd like to suggest you to SEMPER COGITAS (I type faster in Latin, so I'd do it too - don't you know that it wasn't appropriate to show off? Fine, I have no malice but suggesting)Also on your book list: I don't know any of them to fall into the field of pure literature, but iterations on novels (I know that's a bit over-criticizing, but I can't hold myself). Language, as my understanding (or say my interpretation of linguistic education- the better one, not the one we're under here in Taiwan) is like an eye-opener, which makes your soul liberate and free. Therefore, and only after you have sensed the TRUE UNIMPEDED VISIONS IN EACH PERSPECTIVE OF EVERY GREAT SOULS IN EVERY DISTINCT AGES OF THE WORLD- or in another word, after you have built your own view of world, life and other sempiternal things, you can have the pledge to abandon those things such as quizzes.There will be an apology if my words were too sharp to you, but I think it's critical for me to advise you that... Please, at least take my admonition in your own thoughts.(Going astray) I know tests suck (and I also don't buy S.C. but almost aced every quiz on it) but I (I guessed) have more pledge than you have because I can make those who misunderstood the value of quiz & exam tacit via the accomplishments on the subject I did.Anyway, studying in such a way, or in instance not to appreciate something, won't make life unendurable. But think of this: veritas....-->1. Simple Wiki came into my mind.2. It's ok. You can use Latin. The only problem is that no one will understand.3. I don't touch pure literature. They hurt me. And yes, I agree on your point of language being an eye-opener, but I don't think Shakespeare can liberate my soul. Can he liberate yours? As an eye-opener, I think pure sci and sci-fi can do the job quite enough.4. I DO have a view of world, life, and other stuff myself, don't you?5. I'm fine with words like these. I've gotten peaceful nowadays.6. They are deep in my thoughts now, I'll think about them again before bed.7. Glad that you agreed on my point that tests suck. 8. StudioClassroom ain't that hard, you should ace it if your putting something down like this.9. Why would I want to make them shut up?10. Your last word took me some time ti find out what it means. And, what about it?-->You mentioned the point of literature. I'd like to say something about that.I did say that this list is for kids. You wouldn't want to give kids books like Kafka, right?O, well, please don't stress too much on this subject. Relax. I just came here to hear some opinions, it would be great to keep this place from becoming a battleground.我以前也這樣覺得考前都不看課本憑實力也可以考得不錯考文法總覺得很細很無聊可是現在我不這麼認為...如果你是想學美國那樣freestyle的英文的話..我覺得環境不對更何況...其實美國的學生還是要花很多時間加強拼字, 文法...(我們班的"美國人"說的..其實很多美國人拼字很差, 文法更不用說了)我認為, 同樣要念這些東西, 不應該覺得沒有用就想逃避(就算是考免修)有沒有用你現在也說不準, 應該自己想辦法讓他貼近你的使用比如背單字可以拿來串聯寫小說...等等我們班的英文免修們, 都還是會背課內單字只是他們會比我們更加注意一些用法上的差別(英美式阿, 正式與否阿...等等)關於美國人拼字語文法爛我強烈同意= =嗯...逃避嗎?我只是想要有多一點的時間念我想念的東西(ex化學)根據我的認知文章盡量簡明扼要比較好華麗的詞藻反而會妨礙別人閱讀你寫東西的目的不就是要給別人看?(不要提日記之類的)用法的差別英美式大都只有拼字上的小差異(armor<->armour)正式與否不是很重要 重點是別人聽不聽的懂你在表達什麼嗯...如果我的想法有問題歡迎指教 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
dan800512 10 發表於 January 11, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 11, 2007 lol looks like this place has just turned into the 'english' discussion thread, people.get a life! if you don't like SC, don't buy it (like me, cuz it's just a waste of money) but I agree that english is not just about really cool, flashy and sophisticated vocab, nor is it about 'pure literature', if there is a thing such as that (i believe all writings are literature, just different mixes of genres), i mean, english, to look at it simply, is a tool. to look at it a bit closer, it becomes something more personal. so i guess everyone can choose their own direction in exploring the world of english, and even beyond, in other languages.i agree in the 'taiwan-is-not-a-good-environment-for-english-learning' bit, to be honest, it sucks, so does the education here. i suggest everyone who has the chance to go abroad for some time and find out the difference if you have the opportunity. but that's another story.this is the way things work here, we'll have to stick to it, unless you care to write a letter? which will most likely be ignored or not taken seriously...well, good luck on your 'enligh' path and enjoy english! love novels!XD 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
john800103 10 發表於 January 11, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 11, 2007 ok, I'm a friend&classmate of abtvctkto61. because my english is NOT good,I'll use Chinese to type.基本上，我認為「像美國人一樣自由學英語」這件事，對大多數的台灣學生來說並不是非常有必要性&吸引力。台灣學生大多數基本上是「被迫」學英文的，原因不外乎「考試會考」或是「找工作會用到」（就我的經驗與接觸來說），只有一部分的學生對英文產生興趣而想要更進一步的去接觸它。而看小說這件事基本上沒興趣的人不會去做才是。而且，對母語非英語且「未曾留學／住過英語系國家」的人來說，學習文法（至少是基本的文法）仍然是有必要的，相信這點我不用多說。然後至於另一位同學說的純文學，ぜんぜん分らんˇ我的生活只有小說和同人誌 囧還有，可以請大家不要用英文打字嗎我看得頭很暈，就像我如果打日文也會有人看得頭很暈一樣。 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
山風海雨 10 發表於 January 11, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 11, 2007 還有，可以請大家不要用英文打字嗎我看得頭很暈，就像我如果打日文也會有人看得頭很暈一樣。中文大好，中國文學博奧精深．讓我們一起回歸她的懷抱!XD想免修就去免修吧，至於自學要如何進行，就看你個人了一_一狠如果你認為成績根本就是升學制度下的變態指標，即使高或低對你也不會有影響，就照自己的想法去做．或者是你可以先免修一學年看看成果如何，如果後悔還不會來不及． 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
dan800512 10 發表於 January 11, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 11, 2007 中文大好，中國文學博奧精深．讓我們一起回歸她的懷抱!XD祖國!?XD<8> 在這裡不代表任何政治立場:P 純屬巧合 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
supremacy_chen 10 發表於 January 12, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 12, 2007 學弟,加油,一年級就夠申請到三年級的水準了....可以申請然後去念自己想唸的(英文節數應該不少吧..!!).... 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
ck飛揚... 10 發表於 January 13, 2007 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 13, 2007 關於美國人拼字語文法爛我強烈同意= =嗯...逃避嗎?我只是想要有多一點的時間念我想念的東西(ex化學)根據我的認知文章盡量簡明扼要比較好華麗的詞藻反而會妨礙別人閱讀你寫東西的目的不就是要給別人看?(不要提日記之類的)用法的差別英美式大都只有拼字上的小差異(armor<->armour)正式與否不是很重要 重點是別人聽不聽的懂你在表達什麼嗯...如果我的想法有問題歡迎指教我了解你的英文很好(上文的英語文...汗||)這個其實是個人觀念上的問題...應該沒有對錯我指的就像是你說的情形你說你想免修去念化學...當然很好但是就我身邊一些英文跟你一樣好, 甚至可能比你好的同學的經驗看來..會遇到一些問題:1. 化學[或其他你免修時唸的科目]不一定念得比較好, 這會讓你開始失去信心2. 如果你的弱勢科目的搶救方式是砸免修時間...我覺得你就失去了去掌握那科 學習方式的機會,學習效率並沒有提升3. 你終究還是要回到台灣體制下的考試,不如早點適應它,我的同學他們還是會去背單字 , 看文法, 去練習他們覺得寫起來很矬的翻譯句子, 你總不希望你的英文那麼好 結果學測或指考考出來跟每天鬼混的同學差不多吧[隨便舉例], 你可以說考試對學習 英文沒有實質幫助, 那你可以做個英文很好又不怕英文考試的人阿....結論是..免修時間如何運用主控權還是在你手中, 我個人認為, 那段時間適合進修就算不念英文, 也可以拿來進修其他科目, 至於拿來補破洞我認為偶一為之即可不要依賴免修, 不然, 如果班上同學啃書本啃出來的英文成績比你高的時候.難過的還是自己加油 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
cj2340 10 發表於 January 26, 2008 檢舉 Share 發表於 January 26, 2008 關於美國人拼字語文法爛我強烈同意= =完全不同意這是要看你遇上什麼樣的美國人 鏈接文章 分享到其他網站
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